12 May
2026
12 May
'26
2:03 p.m.
On Mon, 2026-05-11 at 16:36 +0100, Dave Cridland wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 at 16:13, Marvin W. <xmpp(a)larma.de> wrote:
Experimental encourages implementation in experimental branches, which
implies implementability and that the XSF as the publishing entity
assumes it's worth investing time it to create such implementations.
If you want to say "hey people, I'm
trying to come up with
something, but I don't know how and what exactly, let's work on
this document under XSF IPR policy", you don't need to make it
Experimental. You can just say this and avoid any doubts on whether
your XEP is encouraged for Experimental implementations or not. And
if you think we need a venue that is explicitly under XSF IPR
policy but not ready for experimental implementations yet, then
talk to the board.
But... that *is* Experimental... Experimental doesn't mandate
implementation, it merely encourages it. And you can implement this,
not that it's required, and I have, not that I had to. Experimental
doesn't even require implementable. The Process we have literally doesn't have a stage
before Submission.
So you're asking, as a Council member, that I should NOT follow our
process as documented in XEP-0001?
The process has a phase before submission. It's the research.
Part of the research is to determine if "the proposed protocol
extension is truly needed in order to fill a gap in existing XMPP
technologies and protocols". That gap is neither explained in the
document itself nor obvious from reading it.
The research may include discussion and those are supposed to happen on
exactly this mailing list. Which they are.
The only thing we would reach by accepting your latest proposal as a
XEP is confusion, because people might assume that they are encouraged
to implement this in experimental branches.
If you can't wholeheartedly say that people are encouraged to invest
their time into creating experimental implementations from your XEP
(which I assume because you yourself opted to use an LLM for the
implementation rather than investing your time), why do you want to
submit it?
Marvin