29 Aug
2025
29 Aug
'25
9:27 a.m.
Elle. Good day.
On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 06:19:14 +0000
Elle <elle+xmpp-standards(a)weathered-steel.dev> wrote:
Hi Badri and Schimon,
I have started work on porting over the
[xsf/xeps](https://codeberg.org/xsf-org/xeps) repository. At the
moment, it is just a mirror, and I have started reviewing the Github
CI workflow, and the `tools/github_auto_triage_pr.sh` script.
There is a [codeberg-cli](https://codeberg.org/Aviac/codeberg-cli)
tool which aims to be a replacement for the `gh` tool.
I also spent a good portion of time reviewing the current state of
the Codeberg/Forgejo implementation of the ForgeFed
(https://forgefed.org/) protocol. So far, they look to have
implemented submitting "Likes" (equivalent of GitHub stars) on
repositories from other Forgejo instances, Mastodon, and a couple
other sources. While somewhat tangential to the main porting effort,
I think contributing to ForgeFed will solve especially the issue of
maintenance burden for email-submitted PRs/Issues.
Good. I will be glad to know of further progress.
Please do inform me if I can be of help.
If we want to start a MUC to discuss development /
coordination, just
let me know.
Regarding my "reproval" of the XSF, that again was not my intention.
I was making a point that even deeply technical decisions, like not
backdooring an encryption protocol, have philosophical and political
components, as well. If the usage of "apolitical" in this community
is meant to be "politically neutral", as was stated earlier in the
thread, then I understand and agree with the XSF stance to a certain
degree.
The argument being public is mostly not good.
I do have arguments against concerns with XSF members and they do
respond, albeit I am often not content with their responds.
Hence, suggesting a system would be more workable than arguing with
some of them.
However, Schimon your framing of "red" vs.
"blue" political "teams"
is highly reductionist. Political, social, and ethical convictions
consist of a much more subtle and varied set of ideas. Even the idea
of political tolerance of one's ideological opposites is itself a
political position, not an "apolitical" one. That term,
"apolitical",
is usually thrown around as a defense of the status quo and
entrenched power structures. Usually under the guise of being an
"enlightened", or more rational standpoint.
It was a general realization. I wanted to write a short argument.
Regardless, this is indeed a technical forum, and it
was not my
intention to delve into a philosophical/political discussion.
Apologies for any derailment.
As others have suggested, the technical and risk reduction benefits
of switching to a FOSS platform (like Codeberg + Forgejo) are enough
to speak for themselves. I have all intentions of putting in the work
to provide a proof-of-concept that the migration can be made, and
will ultimately lead to a long-term reduction in maintenance burden.
Yes. I think that your assessment is correct.
Schimon
On Friday, August 29th, 2025 at 5:28 AM, Schimon
Jehudah
<sch(a)fedora.email> wrote:
Badri. Good day.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 23:36:21 +0530
Badri badrihippo(a)disroot.org wrote:
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To unsubscribe send an email to standards-leave(a)xmpp.org Piling on to express support for non-GitHub
options. XSF related
pulls is more or less the only reason I'm still on GitHub.
I have it on my bucket list to set up a "sign in with XMPP" option
for Forgejo and then pitch in to help the XSF host our own
instance, hopefully with federation implemented by that time...
This is interesting.
I guess that doing so would influence XMPP people to join.
I suppose that utilizing OAuth would be of at most benefit.
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0235.xml
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0493.xml
Schimon
...but until that distant future I'd be happy
with Codeberg (or an
email-based flow).
~Badr
On 27/08/25 8:58 pm, Schimon Jehudah wrote:
> I would want to add that I have a strong desire to collaborate
> over the XSF repositories, yet I am currently very reluctant to
> do so because of where it is currently hosted at.
>
> So the mentioned services be reasonable for me to begin to
> collaborate.
>
> Schimon
>
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 14:15:28 +0000
> Elle elle+xmpp-standards(a)weathered-steel.dev wrote:
>
> > > On the other side, I do acknowledge that using a CI-based
> > > system for contributions has its advantage. Therefore, a
> > > change which mentions that we also accept contributions via
> > > Github, outlining the existence of a CI there, would be
> > > acceptable to me. Codeberg exists :) As well as Sourcehut.
> >
> > My org has moved all of our projects over to Codeberg, and the
> > experience has been great (aside from the AI scrapebots
> > plaguing the internet). Their hosted Woodpecker CI is also
> > pretty easy to configure, with an option to host your own CI.
> > Federation is also in the works, so a self-hosted Forgejo
> > instance would be able to sync up with contributors on
> > Codeberg.
> >
> > Anyway, thank you for keeping the email-based workflow intact.
> >
> > All the best
>
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