Le 29 janv. 2026 à 11:02, Dave Cridland <dave(a)cridland.net> a écrit : Hey all, Some of you have heard me talk about this at the Summit, but I'd like to revisit/reexamine our QUIC binding to improve performance of XMPP on low bandwidth. I'm not sure we'll get to this at the Summit, and there's not many who want to talk about it so I wondered if this summit topic could have been an email. (Except then we discussed it anyway) The primary concerns on low bandwidth - beyond sending fewer bytes on the wire - are round-trips and head-of-line blocking. I think XMPP has a good story on round-trips; we're down to very few during authentication and connection setup, and during normal messaging operation we don't worry about latency at all. Head-of-Line blocking, or HoL Blocking, is when - in our case - packet loss causes the stream to stall until the packet is retransmitted, which is at least a round-trip away - and can be more due to bandwidth-delay product. At the same time, we cannot eliminate this entirely (by, say, sending stanzas over UDP directly) because if we do that we lose the ordering. Out of order messages can be confusing, and lead to bad misunderstandings. The rules on this are in RFC 6120, and are rather more complicated than we normally worry about - normally, we just process everything on a strea, in order, and this does satisfy the rules. But the rules allow us to process stanzas in any order we like, as long as So, what I'm thinking is a way to use the additional channels in QUIC such that we open multiple channels on both C2S and S2S sessions, which would form part of the same virtual stream, and we can distribute messages such that we maintain ordering within messages where we need to, but allows us to out-of-order (and avoid HOL Blocking) messages sent between unrelated jids. This differs to the existing XEP, where each channel maps to a single XML Stream and XMPP session. Notes from the Summit: WEBTRANS would also be of interest, but "raw" QUIC has some advantages as well, so we probably want both with a uniform approach. So, my plan is to get an implementation together and a XEP. Anyone else interested?

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Multiple bi-directional MAY be opened in one session and MUST be treated as a seperate connections with the same security and authentication as negotiated in the initial TLS handshake. This means clients can log into multiple accounts, or the same account multiple times over one QUIC session, or servers can open multiple s2s connections over one QUIC session where one of the servers can prove control over multiple domains, for example if the certificate covered multiple domain names.

Hey all, Some of you have heard me talk about this at the Summit, but I'd like to revisit/reexamine our QUIC binding to improve performance of XMPP on low bandwidth. I'm not sure we'll get to this at the Summit, and there's not many who want to talk about it so I wondered if this summit topic could have been an email. (Except then we discussed it anyway) The primary concerns on low bandwidth - beyond sending fewer bytes on the wire - are round-trips and head-of-line blocking. I think XMPP has a good story on round-trips; we're down to very few during authentication and connection setup, and during normal messaging operation we don't worry about latency at all. Head-of-Line blocking, or HoL Blocking, is when - in our case - packet loss causes the stream to stall until the packet is retransmitted, which is at least a round-trip away - and can be more due to bandwidth-delay product. At the same time, we cannot eliminate this entirely (by, say, sending stanzas over UDP directly) because if we do that we lose the ordering. Out of order messages can be confusing, and lead to bad misunderstandings. The rules on this are in RFC 6120, and are rather more complicated than we normally worry about - normally, we just process everything on a strea, in order, and this does satisfy the rules. But the rules allow us to process stanzas in any order we like, as long as So, what I'm thinking is a way to use the additional channels in QUIC such that we open multiple channels on both C2S and S2S sessions, which would form part of the same virtual stream, and we can distribute messages such that we maintain ordering within messages where we need to, but allows us to out-of-order (and avoid HOL Blocking) messages sent between unrelated jids. This differs to the existing XEP, where each channel maps to a single XML Stream and XMPP session. Notes from the Summit: WEBTRANS would also be of interest, but "raw" QUIC has some advantages as well, so we probably want both with a uniform approach. So, my plan is to get an implementation together and a XEP. Anyone else interested? Dave.