[Foundation] Text Conferencing Ammendment

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at jabber.org
Thu Aug 15 14:48:57 CDT 2002


Well, voting via memberbot at least has a benefit of validating the
identity (or at least the JID) of the member -- memberbot does not accept
subscription requests from others, and all outgoing subscription requests
are initiated by me once I discover what a new member's JID is.

Peter

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Peter Saint-Andre
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On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 bauer at michaelbauer.com wrote:

> 
> I think "useless sham" is a bit strong.  All I'm trying to do is to strike 
> some balance between doing what needs to be done from the perspective of 
> the by-laws and providing some accommodation for the "Jabber way" of 
> communicating in a cooperative fashion.  Technically, no meetings can be 
> held without being there in person or on the phone in a conference call.  
> No votes can be carried out unless done so in-person, on the phone, 
> in-writing, or through e-mail (and even that is a bit suspect).  
> 
> We're kind of going from one extreme to the other here.  Voting for Board 
> Members via the memberbot is definitely not acceptable yet everyone seemed 
> OK with that.  Now, simply adding the memberbot as an additional conduit 
> in the context of the more legally correct physical meeting supplemented 
> by conference calls does not seem acceptable.  
> 
> On 15 Aug 2002, Thomas Muldowney wrote:
> 
> > You still have identity issues.  The groupchat server, in it's current
> > state, just can't verify that people are who they say they are.  While
> > this doesn't hurt voting, it does make the meeting something of a
> > useless sham.
> > 
> > --temas
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 13:31, bauer at michaelbauer.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > Maybe we could something else, like MSN?
> > > 
> > > :)
> > > 
> > > Seriously, I think we could use groupchat for meetings but then carry out 
> > > votes using memberbot.  That way we could have the discussions and 
> > > official votes would be verifiable.  I could ammend the ammendment to so 
> > > stipulate.  Would that be acceptable?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> > > 
> > > > My only concern right now is that groupchat is essentially anonymous. We
> > > > need a way to verify that someone is who they say they are. Until then I'm
> > > > not sure we can regarding groupchat as reliably or official.
> > > > 
> > > > Thoughts?
> > > > 
> > > > Peter
> > > > 
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> > > > Peter Saint-Andre
> > > > Jabber Software Foundation
> > > > http://www.jabber.org/people/stpeter.html
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 bauer at michaelbauer.com wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > There has been some continual confusion over whether we can use Jabber to 
> > > > > actually have some of these meetings.  I'd like to try and end that 
> > > > > confusion for meetings of the Members:
> > > > > 
> > > > > I propose that the Board of Directors approve the addition of the 
> > > > > following sentence to the end of the existing paragraph for Section 3.1 
> > > > > Place of Meetings in the Jabber Software Foundation By-Laws.
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Text conferencing is an approved form of remote communication provided 
> > > > > all participants communicate with one another through the text 
> > > > > conference."
> > > > > 
> > > > > Note a couple of things about this statement.  First, the caveat that all 
> > > > > participants have to communicate with one another through the conference.
> > > > > This seems a little redundant but it's important because you can't have 
> > > > > some people talking on the phone and others talking in the text 
> > > > > conference.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Second, note that this does NOT necessarily apply to a meeting of the 
> > > > > Board of Directors.  I think that those meetings must still be conducted 
> > > > > over the phone at a minimum.  Resolving whether the Board can use text 
> > > > > conferencing is not nearly as important right now.
> > > > > 
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