[Members] IM Observatory
stpeter at stpeter.im
Thu Feb 9 21:14:23 UTC 2017
On 2/9/17 2:07 PM, Guus der Kinderen wrote:
> Isn't it pretty much unmaintained as-is?
Thijs and Tobias and I do a bit of work on it, but not as much as it
deserves. For instance, I'm woefully behind on the queue of new servers.
> By moving it to the XSF, there
> at least is a bigger pool of people to draw maintainers from.
That was my thought, yes.
> I've read various complaints (from members) over the past year about
> "third party" services like these that were poorly maintained -
> supposedly, at least those members would pitch in if they had the
> opportunity / ability to do so?
Although I've traditionally been opposed to centralizing everything
within the XSF (we *do* have a federated communications network, after
all!), the IM Observatory seems like a good thing for the XSF to run.
As to other "third party services", I'm not sure what people have in
mind and I think we'd need to look at those on a case-by-case basis.
> On 9 February 2017 at 21:59, Kevin Smith <kevin.smith at isode.com
> <mailto:kevin.smith at isode.com>> wrote:
> On 9 Feb 2017, at 20:27, Guus der Kinderen
> <guus.der.kinderen at gmail.com <mailto:guus.der.kinderen at gmail.com>>
> > What are the reasons for the XSF not providing for services like these?
> My concern with these things is not so much that the XSF shouldn’t
> do them, but in terms of volunteers to work on them. It’s too easy
> for us to grab something excitedly, then for it to be silently
> abandoned for other people to pick up the pieces. I’ve always been
> keen that the iteam doesn’t end up fighting fires because stuff
> needs doing and it’s been abandoned.
> That said, the observatory *is* an interesting thing for the XSF to
> host, if people are willing to maintain the code.
> > On 9 February 2017 at 21:12, Dave Cridland <dave at cridland.net
> <mailto:dave at cridland.net>> wrote:
> > On 9 February 2017 at 17:13, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter at stpeter.im
> <mailto:stpeter at stpeter.im>> wrote:
> > > Kev's message just now reminds me that it would be good to
> discuss the
> > > future of the IM Observatory service at xmpp.net <http://xmpp.net>.
> > >
> > > Thijs Alkemade has put a lot of work into this and deserves our
> > > However, he is just one very busy person, so to make it viable
> long-term I'm
> > > wondering if the XSF might want to turn it into an open-source
> > > running on a dedicated machine (and ideally able to be mirrored
> and also run
> > > locally). Granted, there would be quite a bit of project management
> > > required, but it seems like a worthy initiative.
> > I have, previously, suggested that the XSF can and should act as the
> > natural home for services such as these, and been repeatedly shot
> > down. My view hasn't changed, though - I'd be very happy with the XSF
> > adopting the domain and services comprising the IM Observatory if it
> > were offered, and I'd suggest Board simply forms a Work Team and hands
> > it to them to run.
> > As for the software, that's more or less entirely up to Thijs. I would
> > recommend moving it to github, and I'd approach other similar projects
> > to try to pool resources (I think Daniel Gultsch has some work in a
> > similar space).
> > Dave.
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