[Standards] Comments on XEP-0301 -- Section 1

Mark Rejhon markybox at gmail.com
Wed Aug 22 21:42:00 UTC 2012


Is this politics-proof:

"TTY (derived from teletypewriter) and text telephones"

I don't like it, but I am going to leave it unmodified (against M&M
wishes) unless there's a consensus.


On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden <gv at trace.wisc.edu> wrote:
> agree
>
> You can say
>
> TTY was derived from Teletypewriter - a device originally used by people who
> are deaf to communicate.  But today Teletypewriters no longer exist and TTY
> is used to refer to a type of telecommunications device used by people who
> are deaf that supports Baudot (and sometimes other coding schemes) over
> analog phone lines.
>
> that however is probably too much history.     but if you are using
> Teletypewriter - that would be the \correct way to use it.
>
>
> Gregg
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> Director Trace R&D Center
> Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering
> and Biomedical Engineering
> University of Wisconsin-Madison
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Gunnar Hellström <gunnar.hellstrom at omnitor.se>
> wrote:
>
> On 2012-08-22 22:58, Mark Rejhon wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Matthew Miller
> <linuxwolf at outer-planes.net> wrote:
>
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> On Aug 22, 2012, at 14:42, Mark Rejhon wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Matthew Miller
> <linuxwolf at outer-planes.net> wrote:
>
> * Teletypewriter (TTY) and Text Device for the Deaf (TDD) telephones
> [citations recommended]
>
> Consulted with some peers.
>
> TTY expansion to Teletypewriter -- OK, good idea.
> TDD is actually correctly "Telecommunications Device for the Deaf",
> but it is deprecated usage right now by most U.S. accessibility
> organizations, in favour of TTY.  Europeans ofte use "textphones", and
> variants thereof.
>
> Also, the phrase "text telephones" is more compatible and
> self-explanatory with the European equivalent of TTY, "textphones".
>
> It's somewhat political behind the scenes in the various communities,
> so changes to this bullet will need to be done very carefully.  I
> spent many hours rewording just the Introduction as a result.
>
> Mark Rejhon
>
> That's fine.  I accept I operate under obsolete assumptions sometimes (-:
>
> But it's important that all acronyms are expanded the first time they are
> used, and even better to include an authoritative citation.
>
> Oh, you might also be remembering I had
>
> ... "TTY and text telephones for the deaf".
>
> But I removed "for the deaf", when Peter/Kevin (one or both)
> complained about three mentions of the word "deaf" due to the
> overemphasis on the word, despite its clear application there.  So I
> toned it down somewhat, reducing three mentions of "deaf" in
> Introduction to just one mention.
>
> I do not think expansion of TTY to Teletypewriter is a good idea. That tends
> to mean the other use of the term TTY, the device that was often used as a
> computer operator console terminal a long time ago and still lives in
> language around such usage.
>
> So TTY in this usage is more " A term used in North America for text
> telephones, i.e. devices used for text and audio communication in the PSTN
> mainly with deaf and hard-of-hearing persons."
>
> Text telephones or textphones is the international term used by ITU-T ( E.g.
> V.18 and F.703 )  3GPP ( e.g. TS 22.226 )
> IETF ( e.g. RFC 4734 ).
> Various countries in Europe have different names for the concept in their
> national languages, so text telephone is not specifically European.
>
> I hope it is clear by combining TTY with text telephone what it referred to,
> so that we do not need to drag in a long descriptions of a peripheral item
> into the spec.
>
> Gunnar
>
>



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