[Standards] Call for Experience: Advancement of XEP-0071 (XHTML-IM) to Final

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at stpeter.im
Thu Sep 27 23:35:56 UTC 2012

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On 9/27/12 9:49 AM, Sergey Dobrov wrote:
> On 09/27/2012 09:38 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> On 8/22/12 2:13 PM, Kevin Smith wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr) 
>>> <jhildebr at cisco.com> wrote:
>>>> On 8/22/12 10:33 AM, "Matthew Miller" 
>>>> <linuxwolf at outer-planes.net> wrote:
>>>>> I agree with Sergey.  If you received XHTML-IM, then any
>>>>> other rich text transform ought to be disabled/bypassed.
>>>> What about URLs that are not in <a/> elements?
>>> I remember us changing the XEP years ago to explicitly call
>>> this out. Links should be linkified at the sender end, not by
>>> the recipient, for XHTML-IM.
>> Yes, business rule #10 in XEP-0071 says:
>> "When rendering XHTML-IM content, a user agent SHOULD NOT render
>> as a hyperlink text that is not structured via the <a/> element
>> from the Hypertext Module; therefore if the sender wishes text to
>> be linked, the sending user agent MUST represent the text using
>> the <a/> element and appropriate attributes."
>> However, that applies only to anchors. Do we need to broaden the
>> rule to cover all HTML elements? If so, I suggest:
>> "When rendering XHTML-IM content, a receiving user agent MUST
>> NOT render as XHTML any text that was not structured by the
>> sending user agent using XHTML elements and attributes; if the
>> sender wishes text to be structured (e.g., for certain words to
>> be emphasized or for URIs to be linked), the sending user agent
>> MUST represent the text using the appropriate XHTML elements and
>> attributes."
> Another bigger problem is smilies. It's not obvious when the
> client should render smilies and when not. I'd prefer to forbid any
> text-based smilies in the XHTML-IM content

Some of us actually prefer textual emoticons. :)

Feel free to look at the old XEP-0038 for further considerations.

> but such way we really need a standardized way to attach images to
> a body.

IMHO that would be XEP-0231.


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