[Summit] [BOSH] BOSH discussion at Summit 12

Matthew Miller linuxwolf at outer-planes.net
Tue Oct 9 14:07:40 UTC 2012

On Oct 9, 2012, at 06:51, Jack Moffitt <jack at metajack.im> wrote:

>> Unfortunately I won't be able to make it to Portland for Summit 12,
>> but I think it would be very good to discuss BOSH. So maybe it would
>> be possible for me to participate in the discussion by some kind of
>> tele-presence?
> We can patch you in via Google Hangouts or some other such system
> pretty easily I imagine. Is there a schedule some where so that others
> can participate this way as well?

I am also not able to attend, so any arrangements around remote participation would be greatly appreciated!

>> Issues in the current protocol. A starting point for that is the list
>> at: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/BoshIssues (though that list needs some
>> TLC from me). If we can identify the most important issues on there
>> and a direction to fix them, then already much work is done.
> Thanks for mentioning this list. It makes a good initial agenda :)


>> Long term, the future of BOSH. In at summit 11 in Brussels the opinion
>> was vented to abandon BOSH asap in favor of websockets. Though I think
>> websockets should be superior to BOSH, I believe we are far from the
>> point where we can switch to websockets. One of the reasons is beacuse
>> the current extension for XMPP over websockets needs some serious
>> polishing up, it is not adapted to the latest changes in the websocket
>> protocol. So I think it would be good to take a moment time to think
>> about our long term strategy and to look at who is able and willing to
>> take on some of the tasks that inevitable come out of that.
> I think the websockets-only path would assume the same API in browser,
> but the implementation would fall back to long polling. This is
> probably not going to be as good as BOSH, so I think it probably makes
> sense to keep BOSH since it's already widely implemented. People will
> gradually quit using it as websockets deployment grows.
> As for the XMPP over websockets spec being unpolished, I'm happy to
> take suggestions. As far as I know it's current with the websockets
> spec. Perhaps you are referring to the existing implementations and
> not the internet draft?

I think I have some comments for draft-moffit-xmpp-over-websocket, but I need to read it again to make sure I'm not conflating things.

- m&m

Matthew A. Miller

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