2 Jun
2024
2 Jun
'24
4:21 p.m.
Dear all,
today I looked at the extensions web overview which we have improved in the recent time.
Special thanks to Daniel B. again.
https://xmpp.org/extensions/
I would like to enhance the filtering with tags or categories to help developers when
implementing the protocol. That way a quick selection of relevant XEPs dependent on the
implementation purpose could make onboarding easier. All this may be clear to you, but is
not to others and interest third parties. Currently they get a numbered list, but no focus
or priority nor importance.
For example, one could filter for the latest compliance suite and its relevant XEPs. Or
which are important around A/V implementation. Which XEPs are part of base and advanced
implementation? Which is related
And maybe you have many more better ideas to help and guide people.
Theoretically, we have the solution already: Using tags. However, only one of the XEPs has
tags so far:
https://github.com/xsf/xeps/blob/master/xep-0488.xml#L25
So, if you agree and maybe also have ideas and/or suggestions I would call to update the
most relevant XEPs.
If we have more tags we can also offer them as filter selections right away.
Let me know what you think.
Eddie
3 Jun
3 Jun
3:05 a.m.
Le lundi 3 juin 2024, 00:21:58 UTC+2 E.M. a écrit :
Dear all,
today I looked at the extensions web overview which we have improved in the recent time.
Special thanks to Daniel B. again.
https://xmpp.org/extensions/
I would like to enhance the filtering with tags or categories to help developers when
implementing the protocol. That way a quick selection of relevant XEPs dependent on the
implementation purpose could make onboarding easier. All this may be clear to you, but is
not to others and interest third parties. Currently they get a numbered list, but no focus
or priority nor importance.
For example, one could filter for the latest compliance suite and its relevant XEPs. Or
which are important around A/V implementation. Which XEPs are part of base and advanced
implementation? Which is related
And maybe you have many more better ideas to help and guide people.
Theoretically, we have the solution already: Using tags. However, only one of the XEPs
has tags so far:
https://github.com/xsf/xeps/blob/master/xep-0488.xml#L25
So, if you agree and maybe also have ideas and/or suggestions I would call to update the
most relevant XEPs.
If we have more tags we can also offer them as filter selections right away.
Let me know what you think.
Eddie
Hi Eddie,
this is a great move, thanks for your suggestion and work in general.
It would be useful to filter on topic such as "pubsub", "jingle",
"microblogging", "e2ee".
XEP dependencies can be a good starting point to automatically assign tags (for instance,
all XEP depending on XEP-0166 are Jingle related).
Best,
Goffi
3:09 a.m.
Thank you Goffi!
Additional questions: Assuming one is an newly interested developer, would they know what
jingle or pubsub refers to? Do we need more simple or clearer words as well?
3 jun 2024 11:06:39 Goffi <goffi(a)goffi.org>rg>:
Le lundi 3 juin 2024, 00:21:58 UTC+2 E.M. a écrit :
Dear all,
today I looked at the extensions web overview which we have improved in the recent time.
Special thanks to Daniel B. again.
https://xmpp.org/extensions/
I would like to enhance the filtering with tags or categories to help developers when
implementing the protocol. That way a quick selection of relevant XEPs dependent on the
implementation purpose could make onboarding easier. All this may be clear to you, but is
not to others and interest third parties. Currently they get a numbered list, but no focus
or priority nor importance.
For example, one could filter for the latest compliance suite and its relevant XEPs. Or
which are important around A/V implementation. Which XEPs are part of base and advanced
implementation? Which is related
And maybe you have many more better ideas to help and guide people.
Theoretically, we have the solution already: Using tags. However, only one of the XEPs
has tags so far:
https://github.com/xsf/xeps/blob/master/xep-0488.xml#L25
So, if you agree and maybe also have ideas and/or suggestions I would call to update the
most relevant XEPs.
If we have more tags we can also offer them as filter selections right away.
Let me know what you think.
Eddie
Hi Eddie,
this is a great move, thanks for your suggestion and work in general.
It would be useful to filter on topic such as "pubsub", "jingle",
"microblogging", "e2ee".
XEP dependencies can be a good starting point to automatically assign tags (for instance,
all XEP depending on XEP-0166 are Jingle related).
Best,
Goffi
3:24 a.m.
Le lundi 3 juin 2024, 11:09:33 UTC+2 E.M. a écrit :
Thank you Goffi!
Additional questions: Assuming one is an newly interested developer, would they know what
jingle or pubsub refers to? Do we need more simple or clearer words as well?
That wording are in XEP titles, and that's how we refer to them in the community, I
don't think that using another word would be wise. However, we could have a glossary
or some kind of introductory page somewhere.
3:38 a.m.
Okay let me give one more example:
Imagine you would like to implement video conferencing or something in that direction.
Wouldn't you search for a tag 'video'?
And then a list pops up with the relevant XEPs you need? The same goes with 'MUC'.
Wouldn't one search for 'group chat' first?
To be clear, we should of course use tags like 'jingle', but not only.
Cheers,
Eddie
3 jun 2024 11:25:04 Goffi <goffi(a)goffi.org>rg>:
Le lundi 3 juin 2024, 11:09:33 UTC+2 E.M. a écrit :
Thank you Goffi!
Additional questions: Assuming one is an newly interested developer, would they know what
jingle or pubsub refers to? Do we need more simple or clearer words as well?
That wording are in XEP titles, and that's how we refer to them in the community, I
don't think that using another word would be wise. However, we could have a glossary
or some kind of introductory page somewhere. 
4:03 a.m.
I really like that idea.
Imagine you would like to implement video conferencing
or something in that direction. Wouldn't you search for a tag 'video'?
And then a list pops up with the relevant XEPs you need? The same goes with 'MUC'.
Wouldn't one search for 'group chat' first?
I agree that developers
which are not familiar with XMPP yet will not
use our specific tags like jingle- They may not find what they are
looking for.
Alex
5:41 a.m.
Le lundi 3 juin 2024, 11:38:14 UTC+2 E.M. a écrit :
Okay let me give one more example:
Imagine you would like to implement video conferencing or something in that direction.
Wouldn't you search for a tag 'video'?
And then a list pops up with the relevant XEPs you need? The same goes with
'MUC'. Wouldn't one search for 'group chat' first?
To be clear, we should of course use tags like 'jingle', but not only.
I was about to say exactly that: we don't have to choose, multiple tags can be used.
On the other hand, if we had a way to filter on dependencies (e.g.: show me all XEP
depending on XEP-0166), that would do it for my use case too.
6:56 a.m.
Okay alright.
But if we agree on all this, the next step would be to update each XEP? I assume we need
some coordination.
Maybe some other perspectives would be good first.
3 jun 2024 13:41:46 Goffi <goffi(a)goffi.org>rg>:
Le lundi 3 juin 2024, 11:38:14 UTC+2 E.M. a écrit :
Okay let me give one more example:
Imagine you would like to implement video conferencing or something in that direction.
Wouldn't you search for a tag 'video'?
And then a list pops up with the relevant XEPs you need? The same goes with
'MUC'. Wouldn't one search for 'group chat' first?
To be clear, we should of course use tags like 'jingle', but not only.
I was about to say exactly that: we don't have to choose, multiple tags can be used.
On the other hand, if we had a way to filter on dependencies (e.g.: show me all XEP
depending on XEP-0166), that would do it for my use case too.
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