[Foundation] Recent confusion about the JSF, JINC and the IETF

Julian Missig julian at jabber.org
Thu Aug 1 22:51:09 CDT 2002


You're right. That just confuses me, then :)

Julian

bauer at michaelbauer.com wrote:
> Not to be a nit, but the reference is to "project" not "product".  
> Terminology is important in these discussions.
> 
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Julian Missig wrote:
> 
> 
>>Richard Dobson wrote:
>>
>>>This is the part that most worries me:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The confusion has been furthered by a couple of lines in section 6 of
>>>>the minutes of the IETF BOF minutes (available at
>>>>http://www.jabber.org/ietf/bof-minutes.txt):
>>>
>>>
>>>>Q: Are you comfortable with the notion of giving up control of the
>>>>  technology in your flagship project?
>>>>A: Yes, this has sign off at the highest levels of managment in Jabber,
>>>>  Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Q: Will you support the resulting specification?
>>>>A: Yes, this has sign-off at the highest levels of managment in Jabber,
>>>>  Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>>That Jabber, Inc appears to be making decisions on behalf of the community
>>>without consultation and infact suggesting they think the own the protocol,
>>>it is also worrying that we only find out about this after the event, a
>>>decision of this magnetude needs to be made democratically by a vote of the
>>>JSF membership the only people who can actually make this decision, I dont
>>>really think its the place of Jabber, Inc to make these decisions.
>>
>>Uh, I'm fairly certain the "you" in those questions refers to Jabber, 
>>Inc., not the Jabber community or the JSF. The JSF does not have a 
>>"flagship product". You could argue that jabberd is the "flagship 
>>product" except for the fact that we have been actively trying to make 
>>it /not/ the only open Jabber server implementation.
>>
>>Julian




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