Agenda for the XSF Board Meeting on June 18 2026
Dear Board members, This email announces the agenda for our next Board meeting, scheduled for Thursday, 18 June 2026, from 16:00 to 16:30 UTC. The meeting will take place in the XSF chatroom at xmpp:xsf@muc.xmpp.org?join. Brief context is included for each agenda item to support preparation. *1. Welcome*Opening of the meeting. *2. Formalize Agenda*Confirm and approve the agenda for this meeting. *3. Jabber Trademark Sublicensing Program*The XSF administers JABBER sublicensing on Cisco's behalf (Cisco owns the mark). The program is near-dormant (most uses date to 2004-2006). Decision sought: direction on whether to continue it or wind it down in a controlled way (notify Cisco; new applicants would then license directly). Note this can be decided independently of the EU-relocation question. Key points 1. Is there any current demand? 2. Existing license-holders' status if it lapses - needs legal confirmation. 3. Reversibility - re-establishing with Cisco later may be hard. 4. Option to simply ask Cisco whether they want to keep the arrangement. Direction sought, not a binding decision - several points require legal advice. Mailing list messages: - https://mail.jabber.org/hyperkitty/list/members@xmpp.org/message/AOSPQYJACOY... - https://mail.jabber.org/hyperkitty/list/members@xmpp.org/message/XR4MEQMIYKQ... - https://mail.jabber.org/hyperkitty/list/members@xmpp.org/message/MIOABW77NCE... *4. Any Other Business (AOB)*Items not listed above that require brief attention. *5. Date of next meeting*Agreement on the date of the next Board meeting. *6. Close*Closing of the meeting. Please review the relevant materials ahead of the meeting so that we can use our time efficiently. Kind regards, Guus
Small point: On Wed, 17 Jun 2026 at 15:56, Guus der Kinderen <guus.der.kinderen@gmail.com> wrote:
*3. Jabber Trademark Sublicensing Program*
The "second foundation" (Asimov fans will enjoy that one) will actually need a trademark licence for Jabber, won't it?
- https://mail.jabber.org/hyperkitty/list/members@xmpp.org/message/XR4MEQMIYKQ...
So should it get that sorted before the US XSF winds up the programme?
Dave.
I'm not sure it does? Would the successor actually need a Jabber license just to exist? It only needs one to put "Jabber" in a product or company name, which being named the XMPP Standards Foundation doesn't do, right? (Wasn't the 2004 rename meant to move us off "Jabber" precisely for this reason?) The one place it does seem to be applicable: if we decide to keep the licensor role, the handoff likely needs to happen before the US org winds up (if that's winding up at all). If, on the other hand, we let it lapse, is there anything left to hand over? - Guus On Wed, Jun 17, 2026 at 5:57 PM Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net> wrote:
Small point:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2026 at 15:56, Guus der Kinderen < guus.der.kinderen@gmail.com> wrote:
*3. Jabber Trademark Sublicensing Program*
The "second foundation" (Asimov fans will enjoy that one) will actually need a trademark licence for Jabber, won't it?
- https://mail.jabber.org/hyperkitty/list/members@xmpp.org/message/XR4MEQMIYKQ...
So should it get that sorted before the US XSF winds up the programme?
Dave.
On Wed, 17 Jun 2026 at 19:14, Guus der Kinderen <guus.der.kinderen@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not sure it does? Would the successor actually need a Jabber license just to exist? It only needs one to put "Jabber" in a product or company name, which being named the XMPP Standards Foundation doesn't do, right? (Wasn't the 2004 rename meant to move us off "Jabber" precisely for this reason?)
I was trying to draw attention to the jabber.org domain name. Dave.
The jabber.org domain name has not been the property of the XSF for many years. <https://xmpp.org/2009/04/xmpp.org-and-jabber.org-rough-consensus-and-running-code/> -- ralphm On 17 June 2026 23:20:52 CEST, Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2026 at 19:14, Guus der Kinderen <guus.der.kinderen@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not sure it does? Would the successor actually need a Jabber license just to exist? It only needs one to put "Jabber" in a product or company name, which being named the XMPP Standards Foundation doesn't do, right? (Wasn't the 2004 rename meant to move us off "Jabber" precisely for this reason?)
I was trying to draw attention to the jabber.org domain name.
Dave.
participants (3)
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Dave Cridland -
Guus der Kinderen -
Ralph Meijer